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		<title>Comment on Odd Inventions of Ought-Nine by pharmacy technician</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=207#comment-3172</link>
		<author>pharmacy technician</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post &#38; nice blog. I love both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post &amp; nice blog. I love both.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Except as Provided Elsewhere, or Trumped, I&#8217;ll Own all the IP. by D. C. Toedt</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=209#comment-3168</link>
		<author>D. C. Toedt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=209#comment-3168</guid>
		<description>The opinion can be found at http://bit.ly/5Oqjkr.  

You write:  "Rather than reading these separately and, if possible, consistently, the Vice Chancellor ruled that the terms of one 'trumps any contrary language' in the other."

It didn't strike me as a case of "rather than."  The VC  reached his "trumps any contrary language" conclusion precisely &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; he read the provisions consistently, in accordance with their plain meaning.

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You write:  "Also, instead of defining the agreed terms using the common and accepted meanings, the VC applied definitions unique to patent law."

The relevant agreement definitions were fundamentally grounded on the patent-law concepts of  "conception" and "reduction to practice."   It's not clear that any relevant meanings for those terms even exist outside of patent law, let alone are "common and accepted."  I suspect most lawyers with IP backgrounds would have clucked disapprovingly if the VC had not done exactly what he did, namely look to Federal Circuit precedent.

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You write:  'An alternative construction would recognize that “any discovery” is much broader than “invention”, and broadened still by the term “whether or not patentable.” A “discovery” implies no usage confined to any legal regime.'

It seems to me that you're not giving enough weight to the rest of the relevant sentence in the contract.  The part that added "conception" and "reduced to practice" to the definition of "Invention" doesn't seem to be a slip of the pen or poor craftsmanship.  On the contrary, it strikes me as the eminently-sensible adherence to an agreed business compromise, one that for decades has been pretty much an industry standard.  

Both the corporation and the university, naturally enough, would prefer to own everything. Obviously they can't both get their wish.  Drawing the ownership line using the "conceived" and "reduced to practice" is a longstanding compromise between academia and industry, one that can be measured more or less readily. 

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You write:  'The crucial misstroke was a later-made amendment incorporating by reference the IP “policies” of Johns Hopkins, along with what the court called the “primacy” provision.'

Now there we can agree:  The corporation's contract reviewer seems to have nodded off -- or perhaps that was simply the business decision the corporation made?

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Thanks for pointing out this case - it was an interesting opinion. (Thanks also to Jeff Gordon at LicensingHandbook.com for the link to your post.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opinion can be found at <a href="http://bit.ly/5Oqjkr." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/5Oqjkr.</a>  </p>
<p>You write:  &#8220;Rather than reading these separately and, if possible, consistently, the Vice Chancellor ruled that the terms of one &#8216;trumps any contrary language&#8217; in the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t strike me as a case of &#8220;rather than.&#8221;  The VC  reached his &#8220;trumps any contrary language&#8221; conclusion precisely <em>because</em> he read the provisions consistently, in accordance with their plain meaning.</p>
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<p>You write:  &#8220;Also, instead of defining the agreed terms using the common and accepted meanings, the VC applied definitions unique to patent law.&#8221;</p>
<p>The relevant agreement definitions were fundamentally grounded on the patent-law concepts of  &#8220;conception&#8221; and &#8220;reduction to practice.&#8221;   It&#8217;s not clear that any relevant meanings for those terms even exist outside of patent law, let alone are &#8220;common and accepted.&#8221;  I suspect most lawyers with IP backgrounds would have clucked disapprovingly if the VC had not done exactly what he did, namely look to Federal Circuit precedent.</p>
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<p>You write:  &#8216;An alternative construction would recognize that “any discovery” is much broader than “invention”, and broadened still by the term “whether or not patentable.” A “discovery” implies no usage confined to any legal regime.&#8217;</p>
<p>It seems to me that you&#8217;re not giving enough weight to the rest of the relevant sentence in the contract.  The part that added &#8220;conception&#8221; and &#8220;reduced to practice&#8221; to the definition of &#8220;Invention&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem to be a slip of the pen or poor craftsmanship.  On the contrary, it strikes me as the eminently-sensible adherence to an agreed business compromise, one that for decades has been pretty much an industry standard.  </p>
<p>Both the corporation and the university, naturally enough, would prefer to own everything. Obviously they can&#8217;t both get their wish.  Drawing the ownership line using the &#8220;conceived&#8221; and &#8220;reduced to practice&#8221; is a longstanding compromise between academia and industry, one that can be measured more or less readily. </p>
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<p>You write:  &#8216;The crucial misstroke was a later-made amendment incorporating by reference the IP “policies” of Johns Hopkins, along with what the court called the “primacy” provision.&#8217;</p>
<p>Now there we can agree:  The corporation&#8217;s contract reviewer seems to have nodded off &#8212; or perhaps that was simply the business decision the corporation made?</p>
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<p>Thanks for pointing out this case - it was an interesting opinion. (Thanks also to Jeff Gordon at LicensingHandbook.com for the link to your post.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ariad v. Lilly - amicus diverge. by Peter Quinn</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=197#comment-3114</link>
		<author>Peter Quinn</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=197#comment-3114</guid>
		<description>Hi.  I am a long time reader.  I wanted to say that I like your blog and the layout.

Peter Quinn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  I am a long time reader.  I wanted to say that I like your blog and the layout.</p>
<p>Peter Quinn</p>
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		<title>Comment on That Big-Ole Defense Went Down Well. by Maria</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=180#comment-3018</link>
		<author>Maria</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=180#comment-3018</guid>
		<description>Pretty good post. I just came across your blog and wanted to say 
that I have really enjoyed reading your posts. Any way 
I'll be subscribing to your blog and I hope you write again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good post. I just came across your blog and wanted to say<br />
that I have really enjoyed reading your posts. Any way<br />
I&#8217;ll be subscribing to your blog and I hope you write again soon!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Covenant, No I Condition, Not To Infringe Your Copyright. by hmmm...</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=165#comment-2813</link>
		<author>hmmm...</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=165#comment-2813</guid>
		<description>"If the courts were to hold that this license is not binding, I’d have two recourses — all rights reserved or not publish at all."

Actually you would have a third recourse - to publish, with full knowledge that your photos might be used without your consent.  Many people have and still do dedicate material to the public domain.  Thus, your "fundamental principle," which is "that the source for this code would not be available for public viewing if the author could not rely on downstream users abiding by limitations on the permission to copy," is fundamentally flawed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the courts were to hold that this license is not binding, I’d have two recourses — all rights reserved or not publish at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually you would have a third recourse - to publish, with full knowledge that your photos might be used without your consent.  Many people have and still do dedicate material to the public domain.  Thus, your &#8220;fundamental principle,&#8221; which is &#8220;that the source for this code would not be available for public viewing if the author could not rely on downstream users abiding by limitations on the permission to copy,&#8221; is fundamentally flawed</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Covenant, No I Condition, Not To Infringe Your Copyright. by RDBeck</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=165#comment-2743</link>
		<author>RDBeck</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=165#comment-2743</guid>
		<description>I think the key point is that the source for this code would not be available for public viewing if the author could not rely on downstream users abiding by limitations on the permission to copy.  Legal semantics seem to get in the way of this fundamental principle.

I post photos to flickr using a Creative Commons license which prohibits both modifications and commercial use.  Persons wishing to publish a modification or use the image commercially will need a different license which can only be obtained by negotiation with me.  If the courts were to hold that this license is not binding, I'd have two recourses -- all rights reserved or not publish at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key point is that the source for this code would not be available for public viewing if the author could not rely on downstream users abiding by limitations on the permission to copy.  Legal semantics seem to get in the way of this fundamental principle.</p>
<p>I post photos to flickr using a Creative Commons license which prohibits both modifications and commercial use.  Persons wishing to publish a modification or use the image commercially will need a different license which can only be obtained by negotiation with me.  If the courts were to hold that this license is not binding, I&#8217;d have two recourses &#8212; all rights reserved or not publish at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Covenant, No I Condition, Not To Infringe Your Copyright. by Law News</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=165#comment-2742</link>
		<author>Law News</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=165#comment-2742</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the informative post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative post</p>
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		<title>Comment on Patent Sharks and a Euro Perspective on Circumnavigating Them. by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=154#comment-2529</link>
		<author>Daniel</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=154#comment-2529</guid>
		<description>I read similar article also named Patent Sharks and a Euro Perspective on Circumnavigating Them., and it was completely different. Personally, I agree with you more, because this article makes a little bit more sense for me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read similar article also named Patent Sharks and a Euro Perspective on Circumnavigating Them., and it was completely different. Personally, I agree with you more, because this article makes a little bit more sense for me</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caution About Case Management Orders &#8220;For Discovery Only.&#8221; by Robert Logan</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=136#comment-2260</link>
		<author>Robert Logan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=136#comment-2260</guid>
		<description>Indeed. Judge Whyte appears to agree with you and his is the opinion that matters. 

I don't disagree with your guidance, rather I am less charitable than His Honor. I believe it was a calculated "presumption" made after analyzing all other options in an attempt to exclude a witness. 

Paraphrasing Judge Whyte - "nice try".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Judge Whyte appears to agree with you and his is the opinion that matters. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with your guidance, rather I am less charitable than His Honor. I believe it was a calculated &#8220;presumption&#8221; made after analyzing all other options in an attempt to exclude a witness. </p>
<p>Paraphrasing Judge Whyte - &#8220;nice try&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caution About Case Management Orders &#8220;For Discovery Only.&#8221; by thomason</title>
		<link>http://leethomason.com/?p=136#comment-2259</link>
		<author>thomason</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://leethomason.com/?p=136#comment-2259</guid>
		<description>The flaw perhaps was the sin of presumption, presuming that leaving a potential ambiguity in the CMO unmentioned might create an opportunity later - it didn't.  My comment was to be sure the CMO says what you need it to say, and then even if it is entered over your objection and without your specific suggested language, then that record can be argued over later and on appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flaw perhaps was the sin of presumption, presuming that leaving a potential ambiguity in the CMO unmentioned might create an opportunity later - it didn&#8217;t.  My comment was to be sure the CMO says what you need it to say, and then even if it is entered over your objection and without your specific suggested language, then that record can be argued over later and on appeal.</p>
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